Kelly is joined by Professor Walter Block and Jorge Besada for a friendly conversation about Israel and Palestine. Episode recorded 10/1/2025.
00:00 Kelly introduces Walter Block
01:10 And Jorge Besada
02:00 Jorge shows off his Menachem Begin t-shit
02:35 Quotes from Ludwig von Mises provide the proper intellectual and sympathetic ethos needed to understand and overcome the fallacies which lead to the hatreds and chaos.
04:02 Summary of anti-Jewish and Zionist fallacies which must be overcome for peace.
06:55 Jabotinsky’s ‘The Iron Wall’ captures the fallacies of Zionism, and its inevitable flawed morality similar to how Lenin’s flawed Socialist morality had to spread chaos and tyranny.
08:00 Zionism makes anti-Zionism antisemitism, eventual thought-crime via ‘hate speech’ laws, thus imprisonment-death to all critics.
08:23 Final Solution: One Free Market State where everyone has equal rights and no State-forced “Identity” . Step 1: massive privatizations.
08:56 Milei being worshiped by Zionist leaders shows their great understanding of economics.
09:29 Walter talks about Zionism-Israel going from Socialism to Capitalism.
11:11 Walter defines his support for Zionism, a ‘Jewish State’
11:47 Walter rejects the notion that Zionism is-was coercive. Makes argument that Jews were there earlier than others, got kicked out, they still own the land.
14:43 Wlater elaborates about Milton Friedman’s potential role in Likud-pro-Capitalism switch.
16:24 Jorge brings up Shlomo Sand’s great books like ‘The Invention of the Jewish People’ and how making property-ownership claims based on mostly myth has its problems.
18:50 Walter replies. Walter believes ‘statute of limitations’ is flawed.
28:25 Kelly brings up vital issue: If someone converts to Judaism, do they get claim-ownership of Palestine too?
30:40 Jorge brings up which coercive-competition-immune entity gets to define who is a Jew? Many Jews define who is a Jew differently than Block and like-minded Zionists.
36:00 Walter discusses reparations to blacks.
37:48 Jorge… We continue with concrete steps to solution.
38:50 Step 2: End coerced “Jew Only” character of new State. Rename to something all can agree upon ex ‘The Holy Land’ etc.
39:26 Step 3: Dealing with land. Jews keep all land where they really live and is productively used. Even many of the Settlements after 1967 war. No economic disruptions.
39:45 Step 4: All other land, we privatize and give to Palestinians. Each over 18 palestinian will get over acre in a soon-to-be skyrocketing prosperous country.
40:10 Step 5: Grant citizenship to large percentage of people in Gaza and West Bank beginning with all women, children and fathers.
40:40 Step 6: Every day or week more Palestinians are granted citizenship with the goal of complete integration within 3 or so months, etc.
41:02 A 20+ feet solid gold status of Ludwig von Mises is built and placed in front of the Western Wall, and Ben Gurion Airport is renamed to Murray N. Rothbard Airport.
41:30 Walter replies. This proposed solution would in some ways be a reward for Hamas who allegedly purposely massacre Jews. Criticizes Murray Rothbard’s view regarding Zionism.
48:20 Walter discusses being “excommunicated” from prominent American libertarian organizations.
52:48 Jorge replies to some of Walter’s points. Rejects the genocidal terminology for both IDF and Hamas soldiers. Blames Zionism and its policies and effects for the radicalization and suicidal bombings of some Palestinians.
55:00 Jorge makes point that just because many Palestinians have a burning hatred of Israelis-Zionists, it still does not mean Zionism was a good or moral idea.
56:43 Walter closing statements.
58:30 Jorge and Kelly wrap up.
